Who Is Yeshua?

From: I

To: Real Messiah

Since I had been hearing lots of debates and lectures between Rabbi's and missionaries I had been curious to ask questions about specific concerns. I realize now why believers in Jesus do not accept the Oral Law. I came to a conclusion that there is misunderstanding even of the new Testament. My concern to ask you is if Jesus was the biological son of G-d, the seed of G-d. If to infure about G-d through Jesus logically. If Jesus had birth a begining then G-d himself also has some kind of beginning. In Judaism or Rabbinical Judaism G-d does not have a begining nor end. Everyone is the son of G-d just like any other person. Can you please explain to me about this concern, your understanding of G-d and Messiah? 

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Thank you for getting in touch with us. 

Jesus is not "God's Son" in the sense that God had sex with Mary and Jesus is therefore God's "seed."  That is a concept that is totally foreign to the New Testament.  Luke 1 makes it very clear that the Ruach (Spirit) came upon Miriam (Mary) and miraculously made her pregnant.  No Greek-like cohabitation between God and a woman took place here. 

Yeshua (Jesus) is God's Son in the sense that He came forth from God (John 16:28).  He is one with God (John 10:30).  And He is the same in essence and nature as God (Philippians 2:6).  The eternal Son came forth and took on flesh and a body to intercede for the sins of mankind (Phillipians 2:6-8).  Israel is also referred to as "God's Son" (Exodus 4:22; Hosea 11:1).  And in Psalm 2:7, the Messiah is referred to as God's Son.  As the divine Son, Yeshua did not have a beginning.  Yeshua is the ultimate fulfillment of God's promise to dwell among us and deliver us (Zech 2:10-11; Hosea 6:3).  God sent forth His Son to "confirm the promises given to the fathers" (Romans 15:8). 

 

You might enjoy watching Dr. Brown's lecture at USC.  In this presentation, Dr. Brown answers many questions about God and Messiah.  You can view this presentation at:

http://realmessiah.askdrbrown.org/Watch/Watch.html 

We’d be glad to interact with you further if you have more questions. 

The Real Messiah Team 

From: I

To: Real Messiah

 

  1. So what proof do we have that our sins were interceded?
  2. And what about if a person continues to sin?
  3. What if Jesus was not the Messiah?  What proof do we have that Ruach (Spirit) came upon Miriam (Mary) and miraculously made her pregnant?
  4. Look woman who gives birth curse their husband because they are in such a pain. Jewish woman had to bring birds to the temple for this sin. How is situation different for Jesus and Mary?

 

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Here are some answers to your questions: 

  1. See Matthew 26:27-29; Mark 10:45; John 10:11; Hebrews 10:10-14.  And keep in mind that these passages have a direct link to passages in the Tanakh (Old Testament) such as Isaiah 53 and Jeremiah 31:31-34. 
  2. A follower of Yeshua the Messiah is expected to live a life of holiness and righteousness.  However, when they sin, they are expected to ask God for forgiveness and He graciously grants it (1 John 1:5-10).
  3. See Luke 1:26 and the following verses.
  4. I'm not sure if I understand this question.  However, in Luke 2:22-24, Miriam observed the Torah mitzvot to redeem the firstborn son and the purification after childbirth. 

The Real Messiah Team 

From: I

To: Real Messiah

 

More questions for you: 

  1. Are you saying that parallel to existence to G-d their is existence of Messiah, both without beginning?
  2. When I read the book "Why the Jews rejected Jesus by David Klinghoffer" he talks about different validity to sin. If G-d forgave our sin so why men suffer to feed their family and woman suffer in childbirth?
  3. Tanach verses must match reality also.  If Jesus really died for our sins what is the difference between his suffering and the suffering of other people who may have suffered worse?  

Thank you ahead.    

 

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Here are some answers to your questions: 

  1. That wasn't my main point below.  But yes, the Bible teaches that the Messiah has always been.  His nature/essence is divine.  The Messiah has no beginning (Isaiah 9:6-7; Micah 5:1-3; John 1:1; John 8:56-59).  Do you really think that a normal man could ever attain the status that the Bible assigns to the Messiah?  Read Isaiah 11:1-4.  Note that the Messiah has functions that are reserved for God alone - namely His role as judge.  The Scriptures, plus logic, point to the Messiah being much more than a man.
  2. Yeshua the Messiah's death and resurrection during His first coming serves as the basis for the salvation and peace that will come to the whole earth in the future.  Though we can have forgiveness for our sins today through Yeshua, sin is still present in the world and God's plan is continuing to unfold.  Tikkun olam (repairing the world, reducing suffering) starts in the heart of each person.  Scripture makes it clear that each one of us is corrupt and is in need of tremendous healing and salvation (see Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:23).  Yeshua's first coming dealt with the main issue that will bring healing to the world.  He dealt with our hearts.  He ransomed us from our sin and gave us new life (Mark 10:45; 2 Corinthians 5:17-21).  Soon, Yeshua will return and usher in the fullness of God's kingdom on earth.  Again, His atoning death, which provides forgiveness of sins and new life for both Jews and Gentiles, serves as the ground from which all future acts of redemption will flow. 
  3. Yeshua's suffering and death had an incomparable effect on the world.  He was the perfect, divine sacrifice for sin.  Carefully read Isaiah 53 - this is referring to Yeshua (700 years before He came).  His suffering and death had a worldwide impact that effected the eternal destiny of every person on the planet.  For those who take hold of Him, His death serves as a payment for our sins. 

 

The Real Messiah Team 

From: I

To: Real Messiah

 

I like what you are writing to me but it seems that the idea that Jesus died for our sins is unrealistic. I think that there is some point of ignorance. There are misinterpretations and misunderstandings.  Lectures from JewsforJudaism.com gives useful information on that.  Are you jewish? 

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Yes, I am Jewish.  I became a believer in Yeshua about 12 years ago.  I am very familiar with the various resources offered by Jews for Judaism.  Have you read Isaiah 53 (in the prophets section of the Tanach/Old Testament)?  

The Real Messiah Team

 

From: I

To: Real Messiah 

I read Isaiah 53 and it was very impressive. But, there are different approaches and interpretations.  When I read a book long time ago it is called "The conflict between the church and the Synagogue by James Brown" I understood that Jewish opinion on Tanach was ignored and not takes seriously. This is happening today also. I respect whatever any person believes and consider every opinion. But what about Jewish interpretation on the Tanach?  You probably know that even early Christians came to Rabbis to learn Hebrew and learn the interpretations on the Tanach and they said that Rabbi's have intellectual strength. I am taking this information from the book I read.   

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Dr. Brown addresses the issue of why Yeshua died for our sins in volume two of his book series called "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus."  If you would be willing to read it, we would be glad to send it to you as a gift. 

 

The Real Messiah Team 

From: I

To: Real Messiah 

Their is an ebook download in JewsforJudaism.com which addresses Dr Browns arguments. I appreciate your offer and kindness. You are Jew and you should know the truth of sin. Based on what I was taught in Synagogue. If you take a plate or a cup and brake it against the floor. No matter how well you will glue parts together the defect of scars is left. This is what sin does. The best thing to do is to stop sinning. Thank you for conversation.   

From: Real Messiah

To: I

 

Yes, you are right, as a Jew I understand sin.  The problem of sin has plagued our people, and all people, from the beginning of history.  As Jeremiah said, "The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick.  Who can understand it?" (17:9).  And as King David said, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psalm 51:5).  The question is: How do we deal with this problem of sin and corruption in the human heart?  How can "tikkun" (repair) happen on a personal level?    Is the answer to perform more mitzvahs?  Is the answer to try not to sin?  If this is your approach, I'd like to know, how is this working for you?  Are you really finding that you can overcome sin in your own power?  Do you really think you can do enough mitzvahs to merit a place in the presence of our God who is K'dosh, K'dosh, K'dosh (Holy, Holy, Holy - see Isaiah 6: 3)?  

There is no need to guess or hope regarding an answer to this question.  God promised that a day would come when He would send His Servant to die for our sins, thus providing atonement (Isaiah 53).  Our prophets spoke of a day when God would make a B'rit Chadasha (New Covenant) with our people (Jeremiah 31:31-36).  The foundation of this New Covenant promise was that God would put His Torah in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33) and forgive our sins (Jeremiah 31:34).  God promised that a day would come when He would breathe new breath into our dead bones (Ezekiel 37), thus giving us new life.  God promised long ago that a day would come when He would heal us, bandage us, and raise us up that we may live before Him (Hosea 6:1-3).   

For generation after generation our people have tried to merit the redemption.  And we always come up short.  The redemption is not about us.  It's all about God.  God has reached out to us and provided forgiveness, atonement, and new life in Yeshua the Messiah. He died and rose from the dead to forgive us of our sins, thus providing atonement.  He also now will dwell in the hearts of all people who receive Him, thus giving that person new life and the power to defeat sin in their lives.  This is the ultimate redemption that we need.  Our job is to cry out to Him with a humble heart, do t'shuvah (turn from our own way) and turn to Him with emunah (faith).  And this personal redemption serves as the basis from which the rest of God's redemptive plan will unfold.  What good would it do if the traditional Moshiach comes and does all that is expected (rebuild the Temple, re-gather us to Israel, bring world peace, etc.) but yet our hearts remain unchanged?  We need a heart change.  We need new life.  We need to be cleansed from our sins.  We need the Ruach of God (Spirit of God) to dwell within us.  This is what Yeshua has done.  What power we would see unleashed for worldwide redemption if (and when) our people take hold of this.  It will happen.  I hope you will seriously consider this incredible treasure that is being presented to you.   

The Real Messiah Team

 

PS - By the way, yes, I am familiar with the document on the Jews for Judaism website ("Contra Brown...")   

From: I

To: Real Messiah 

The New Covenant has not yet took place. I had once read a book named Satan's autobiography where it explains how he convinced the whole world to sit and wait. If I would provide to you the ultimate answer would you come back to Judaism? Would you leave Dr Brown? Would it move you some where, do you believe in yourself? You know that G-d has his part to do which I am not worried about. I am worried about what I have to do. It all depends what is an answer for you, is not an answer for me. Yes my relatives who joined the watchtower see an answer in Jesus. I see an answer in my soul which is part of G-d and in the power which G-d provides to me. I am a warrier of G-d and I know that my bad incline is my enemy.   

From: Real Messiah

To: I

 

My greatest desire is to live a life that gives glory and praise to God.  So if God showed me that I was wrong, I would follow Him anywhere.  However, what God did for us in Yeshua gives ultimate praise to Him for the greatness of His chesed (mercy, grace).  The New Covenant has not been fully realized.  There is more to it that will unfold.  However, Yeshua's death and resurrection is the foundation of this promise that makes the future (complete) redemption possible.  

Keep this in mind: For the past two thousand years, since Yeshua came, millions and millions of people have come to love and follow the God of Israel because of Yeshua the Messiah.  If He is not the real Messiah, then the real messiah is going to have to top what Yeshua has and is accomplishing throughout the world.  Do you really think that the Messiah is going to be like what the Rabbis tell us - namely that the Messiah will be a great scholar and sage who will provide magnificent insights into our library of holy texts?  The Rabbis have essentially formed this "Moshiach" that they expect to look like a Rebbe from Chabad.  Do you think that is the kind of Rabbi that is going to lead and heal the world?  Not a chance.  The Messiah of the Tanach (Old Testament) is one that will be a great deliverer who will bring salvation and truth not just to the Jewish people, but to all nations (read Isaiah 49:6).  It is this that we see Yeshua doing before our very eyes, all across the globe.  He is worthy of your careful consideration. 

The Real Messiah Team 

PS - Take a look at the following website - http://www.ntm.org/ - look at what God is doing among the Gentiles because of Yeshua the Messiah.  Looking at the pictures will be enough.  These people are coming to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob because of the message and work of Yeshua and His followers.  This is no small matter.  This issue is about so much more than our people.  It starts with us - but the world is God's aim for His glory.  When our people get on board, it will mean even more blessings for the Gentiles!  Not to mention our own rest from our enemies and our sin. 

From: I

To: Real Messiah

 

Thank you for your time and replys. As I replyed to you before you and many people of the world see Jesus as an answer. For me I see an answer in G-d with Jews. I will tell you honestly I have no strong Jewish education I finished Public School. I had met good Rabbi's and Jews who help me. If you ever wont to learn what we believe and know at molecular level just email me. Or save my email for the future. And in case I will ask you if I need to know something. Thank you. 

From: Real Messiah

To: I 

Okay I.  Take care and feel free to contact us any time. 

 

The Real Messiah Team